Chats with Tompkin


Transcripts April 26, 2021

Chat #272 – Rose

TOMPKIN: (Chuckles) Good day and how are you?

ROSE: Okay? I’m fine. Thanks, and how are you?

Tompkin talks about the exciting times

TOMPKIN: Now. Well, as always, but these are exciting time. So it’s most entertaining. (Both laugh)

ROSE: What do you mean? Do you mean that the humans are entertaining to watch? Or what do you mean?

TOMPKIN: Well, there is universal changes happening, planetary changes happening, people changes happening, and mass energy shifts, it’s… ah! There’s so much to take in. (Chuckles)

ROSE: You mean on your end, to take in watching this whole thing?

TOMPKIN: Ah! The awareness of the changes in energy and the milestones that people are making, and the connection with their future focuses and their growth. Ah! It’s a wonderful process to be assisting in and observing.

ROSE: That’s good. 

TOMPKIN: It is good.

The great divide

ROSE: That’s good. I hear, for example, Dolores Cannon and she said, new energy is coming in and the old energy is kind of moving out. And the new energy is… it’s much, much more comfortable, let’s say, pleasant to experience. And I thought, ah great. And I have heard that several times. And I also heard about the great split that some of the… those folks who won’t, who don’t want to move along, that they will end up kind of on the parallel Earth version or many parallel Earths, it depends on who you listen to. But it’s a great divide in the great split. And yeah, something like that.

TOMPKIN: There are there is a great divide at the moment, in that there are individuals who are focused on a fear and limitation and restriction. And they are looking for guidance and direction. And then there are those that are, shall we say, are waking up to themselves, and are realizing, hey, I can achieve despite circumstances, and like yourself, I can be joyous, despite the circumstances, I can choose how I wish to feel and what I wish to do, even though you impose these restrictions, I can move forward. So congratulations to all individuals in proceeding to be self-directing in a manner that is creative.

ROSE: Right. Right.

TOMPKIN: And congratulations to you, for you also have been accomplishing and achieving quietly away over there.

I don’t feel restricted. I just move along. Empathy and arrogance

ROSE: Yeah, right. Right. I don’t mind the rules, that they recommend, or that they set up, I just move and flow with it. I don’t mind being at home or whatever. I don’t feel that restricted honestly. But I don’t know. Sometimes I think perhaps I’m in such a luxurious situation so that it doesn’t hit me too hard. I mean, perhaps it would be different if my business would collapse due to not being allowed to run it. And I would face financial hardship and disaster, then perhaps I would, of course, be differently affected but in my personal life, and I don’t know if that’s arrogant of what, I am not that much affected.

TOMPKIN: Well, congratulations on the arrogance, then, if that is what you wish to term it. For I am applauding you on focusing on being comfortable and not being distracted and paying attention to what you want, and your shop hasn’t closed, for you have not fallen victim to the dogma of believing that you can be affected in such a way you are continuing to create what’s comfortable for you, I applaud you.

ROSE: I don’t know, I don’t know. Thank you.

The other day, I thought, perhaps I’m not empathic enough. If someone like, let’s say, someone has been running a shop, and has put… or a business of any kind and perhaps, in, for example, the entertainment industry. And now they are not allowed to make performances, or they don’t even have a venue to make performances because the venues are closed, and they are really hit hard. And perhaps if they are older people and they are losing their savings to get by and everything. It must be hard. I think if these people try to raise up again, after they have been thrown to the floor, so to speak financially.

TOMPKIN: You do have, you do have compassion for these individuals. And I assure you, many of them are creative and artistic and they are finding ways to perform despite the regulations, much of it is done on computer, much of it is done with distancing and within the rules, and those that have not figured out a way around this, they will. And they have in other countries. Yes, there will be a timeframe where they may be affected. And they may be feeling as if they have no control. But being the entertainment industry, they’re some of the most innovative and creative individuals. And they will be discussing with others in other countries and soon they will have ways to offer entertainment and their creativity, for it is unstoppable, their creativity, it’s not going to be suppressed.

ROSE: Right? But what about those who, like worked all their life and now they are broken, and it’s not very likely that they will rise up again?

TOMPKIN: This is an issue and in order to be self-directing, it may prove challenging to rise out of the doom and gloom and find some meaningful activity that they enjoy. That perhaps also creates a small income and a greater income as they need it. And for some they may not recover. There are many individuals who have taken their own life unfortunately, as they felt there was no alternative. The suicide rates are very high at the moment.

ROSE: Mhm. Yeah, I understand. I was thinking about there is in India, there has been a wave of farmer suicides when they couldn’t live off the land anymore, and they couldn’t support their families. That desperation was so great, so large, that they had a real suicide wave among these farmers. Very sad.

TOMPKIN: And it is unfortunate for at a time like this, farmers are very much required to support the contrary, for food shipments are not occurring as they used to. For example, there are many individuals in Africa who are extremely hungry and doing without for the aid is not getting through.

ROSE: Mhm. Yeah, I know. I’ve heard that. It’s amazing how everything is interconnected and how it becomes evident now that tiny, tiny thing can influence so much. I mean, the virus is not even a big a big… How do you say?

TOMPKIN: Deal. It’s not even a big deal.

ROSE: Yeah, big thing. In in size. Yeah, oh my… I heard yesterday, I heard something… that there was a manufacturing in 2003 going on, already. And you hear here and there’s some things, I don’t dive deeply into it because, again, on the end, in the end, it doesn’t matter to me, doesn’t matter to me. Not at all.

TOMPKIN: And I do encourage you to continue in the direction that you are moving, and not allowing it to be invading your life for you have come a long way to overcome restriction, as much as you can. 

ROSE: Mhm. Right.

TOMPKIN: And to, to focus on that now could be detrimental. So allowing it to stay on the outside is excellent. Meanwhile, you remain positive, and you can support other individuals in this manner, and help quell some of their fear. Just by being yourself and presenting yourself as you are, for they then realize that here is this woman in good humor, who is accomplishing still and is not afraid. They see that this is possible.

ROSE: And perhaps they pick up and kind of swing along.

TOMPKIN: Exactly. On your energy, which is which is quite contagious. It’s excellent.

People claiming to be hybrids

ROSE: Thank you. I don’t know, I have been listening with great fascination. Stories, sharings of young people, especially young people, who said that they are… who say and claim in a way without being forcefully claiming it. But like, giving in to that truth and to their… I don’t know how to say whatever they are, they are saying that they are hybrids. And for example, I came across a woman who says she’s half human, half reptilian. And she was shifting even into her reptilian form, twice. One time, at home and one time forcefully. When the military abducted her, and she said, she shared remarkable stories trustworthy. Really trustworthy. And, she was facing really dark side of the whole thing, but also beautiful sides and she made an impression on me, because she kind of accepted that this dark side is part of her life and part of her mission, why she intended to come. She said, I come to help. And if 100 people ridicule me, but I can help two or three, it’s worth it. It’s worth it. And I will go on and help people, because I noticed that I can.

TOMPKIN: Yeah, and you can, very much.

ROSE: It’s fascinating. It’s totally fascinating.

TOMPKIN: She can, you can and so let the inspiration continue, for you both can.

ROSE: Ja. Would you say that these stories that there are these hybrid adults…

TOMPKIN: So for this woman, her reality is real. And she is accessing many focuses, she is interpreting future focuses and she’s interpreting them in the present. Now; to most individuals, they would feel like they’ve gone insane and would seek the help of a psychiatrist. For they would not be understanding that they are encompassing all of themselves. And this individual is encompassing a great amount of focuses, at the same time and is in her reality and there are several that are male, in their reality, that they can help people see outside of themselves. See that they have more. See that there’s more of themselves and to recognize differences and be accepting of them.

Simon Parkes | Mantis Mother / Earth Mother

ROSE: But for example, there is another guy was said, who has experiences from early on being visited and, the beings that visited him. One especially is a mantid being. Is a mantis.  And saying it’s his real mother. He’s his real mother is his birth mother is his Earth adult, but his real mother is a mantid and he’s a hybrid. 

TOMPKIN: So he has mixed two focuses together. He has a future focus as an alien, what you would call an alien. And yes, his mother is an alien. In this present timeframe, he is human. So, this is where the veil is thinning and individuals are becoming confused. And, or they are not confused, they are interpreting many focuses but are unaware that they are separated by their interpretation of time, and also where they are actually existing. So individuals who have been speaking with myself or Elias such as yourself, for many years, have an understanding of many focuses at once, and that there is no such thing really as time. And that it is all happening at once. But for individuals that do not understand this concept, for them, it is all there at once when they allow themselves to be open to it. And they cannot differentiate between: Ah, this is myself, yes, but it’s another side or focus of myself in this timeframe and this timeframe and this timeframe, and it’s all molded together. And of course, psychiatrists and psychologists don’t quite know what to do with that information other than label them.

ROSE: No. They don’t. No most of them don’t.

But one psychiatrist, he was able to see non-physical beings hanging around in the wards, in the floors of his institution. Like for example, disengaged people were still hanging around and ghosts or whatever it was, I have forgotten. But he had an expanded perception. Which was fortunate because, I think, because he was at least, somewhat more open to, to the realities of his clients.

TOMPKIN: So he would understand that he is a medium and that he is indeed not insane, and perhaps will be less critical and less judgmental, and less drugging of other individuals who claim the same for how can he? How can he, you know? 

ROSE: Right.

TOMPKIN: Yes, inflict that upon them when he himself experiences it.

ROSE: Right, right. I have lost track with him. But he even did personal sessions, with folks using his abilities.  So tell me another thing. This is a partly chatty session, just having a chat.

TOMPKIN: And very enjoyable topics, I might add. 

ROSE: Pardon?

TOMPKIN: Very interesting and enjoyable topics.

ROSE: Right. Enjoyable. Quite enjoyable. Uhem. So, I was thinking about… how do you say? Encounters. Encounters between humans and beings from… let’s put it into an open term… let’s say it from elsewhere. 


What’s going on when people claim they have seen UFOs?

ROSE: And there are many people who claim to have seen some UFOs. Unidentified flying objects in the sky, and even footages existing, some people are saying that they have encounters, physical encounters, not only telepathic encounters, but physical encounters, and Elias said, we had very, very rarely contact with extraterrestrial life. He gave a number like six to eight or so I had forgotten the whole timeframe, he was relating it to, but he said it’s other dimensional bleed-throughs.

TOMPKIN: And this does happen quite frequently in that you may be driving down a road at night and you, you may see something as a flash, and you may see something that is not human. And it was that you relaxed your attention and your awareness became in another dimension and you interpreted it. It doesn’t mean that it wasn’t there and that you didn’t experience that you did. 

42 future focuses that you can call aliens

You may, you yourself have at least 42 focuses that you could access if you wanted to play and communicate with what you call aliens. 

ROSE: Uhem. Cool.

TOMPKIN: And they, are what you call, in your future. And there are some in the EMP group and others who are exploring these focuses and then obtaining technology and information from them with the sharing so why not, have some fun?

UFO landing in the yard

ROSE: Yeah, that’s true. But what is technically happening, when people are saying, sharing and really physically experiencing that the ship is landing in their front yard? For example, the Native American Indians, they have lots and lots of stories from their past like shared over generations, passed on over generations. But also, I think the term is contemporary experiences.

TOMPKIN: So they are not unreal, and they are not fake. So the individual or groups of individuals, at the time, are experiencing a shared experience whereby they are interpreting an energetic exchange with those beings and allowing themselves to see that. There are also technological ships that appear to be UFOs, not round in your traditional UFO but more tubular, that are military. And people have interpreted those as UFOs when in reality, they are military and they’ve been caught out so to speak. Now, the group of individuals most commonly out of all of those people often, are interpreting, alignment, Ilda, and they allow themselves to draw information from many sources. And so they’re open to allowing themselves more communication in that respect, and it can be bleed through. 

ROSE: Okay. Go ahead.

TOMPKIN: And people that interpret, being lifted up into a spaceship and communicating with these individuals more often than not, these occurrences happen at night, when they are drowsy and they are completely teleporting or communicating with future focuses to such an extent that they have no differentiation of reality and for them it’s very real. So to discount their experiences is quite harmful for them.

ROSE: Yeah, I mean, they really report having physical experience, like tangible physical experience.

TOMPKIN: Because, that in that has in their reality occurred.

What happens to people who go missing for 14 days?

ROSE: And what about those who get missing like 14 days or so and show up 14 days later, and everybody was looking for them and they had just disappeared and vanished into this different dimension physically and came back like, like, you hear it at times.

TOMPKIN: This is more difficult to explain, for they have not actually disappeared, they have actually changed vibration. So that… 

ROSE: Okay. 

The aboriginals in Australia making themselves invisible

TOMPKIN: So the aborigines of Australia were years and years and before, well, it still continued when white men arrived to Australia, the British and the Dutch. They, some of them, had the ability that was passed on to generations to actually flux, their vibrational rate. And they would be the ones described that would be standing there in the trees and then would just disappear, or they would appear in the field when they come out of nowhere. And they could sustain that energetically for short durations of time in order to hunt, to be observing of other tribes. Mostly it was passed down through stories and abilities family. So it is possible to do this. 

ROSE: Okay. The other day… what this reminds me of is Sasquatch. That appears and disappears, is an interdimensional kind of one wanderer. And did I understand you correctly that these aboriginals had the ability to kind of manifest their body and de-manifested and appear and disappear and reappear,

TOMPKIN: So they could alter their frequency to such a point that other individuals couldn’t see them for a temporary flux of time. 

ROSE: Ah! Okay, so they didn’t, they didn’t physically disappear. But they made themselves invisible, so to speak?

TOMPKIN: In a sense, yes. By changing their vibratory focus of their entire body.

ROSE: And that happens like unintentionally with people, I don’t know the name of the guide, Travis, I think was his name, who disappeared for 14 days or so. Is that similar?

TOMPKIN: Ah, with this individual, yes, it’s similar. And I would not in any way discount his experience for that would be traumatizing. And to this individual it was extremely real.

ROSE: Yes. It’s cool. It’s very fascinating.

TOMPKIN: Hahahaha…. You’re exploring mysteries of the unknown, my friend.

ROSE: I don’t know, I have been so bored, and this at least is interesting.

TOMPKIN: Well, perhaps you could meditate on the subject and put it out there to your focuses of who would like to connect and see what happens.

ROSE: Okay, okay, let’s go! Great, great. Okay. Let’s have a few different topics, more physical, physicality related topics. And yeah, let’s go.

Lucia | Not ADHD but kinesthetic

Okay, so let’s, let’s build a bridge. I have one grandchild, her name is Lucia. And she is seven years old now. And she is very bumpy, very bumpy, very… if you put a negatively, you would say she’s very agitated. And in school, she’s at her first grade in school. The parents were kind of called in and they had a talk with the teacher. And the teacher said she’s a troubled, troubled kid in school, not the troublemaker, but most challenged kid in class and she cannot read. And we just said: hey, come on, she’s just three months in school and with a different school system like Waldorf schooling, the kids cannot read up to 10 years. And so for us, is no problem at all. But from the standards, from the standard side of things, they see there’s a trouble. I myself have been reading about the new kids coming in and their abilities and how they, for example, have ADHD or ADD or they have Asperger’s or whatever. And that’s a different configuration, so to speak. The positive side of that is that they block out the indoctrination, which we have, many of us have been going through forgetting about all greater reality and such. And these kids don’t allow that happening to them by that configuration, for example. So for me, I was kind of almost frolicking when I heard she is a possible ADHD kid. And I was wondering if you could shed a little light on that.

TOMPKIN: So for this particular child, she is not ADHD, this is a label that has been placed upon her she is distracted, and she is distracted because she is bored. She has the ability to learn if she was being taught in a way where she would absorb the information. She is mostly kinesthetic, which means hands on. Doing! Auditory? No. Visual? Reduced. So if you put on a video, or you’re talking, talking, talking, talking, she’s distracted. If you were to have a project and she had to get our hands dirty and participate and build something, watch her go. That’s how she learns. Unfortunately, the other two areas are quite limited. So if her teachers aware of this, for example, learning math, she could use be using blocks and cubes and figures to stimulate her mind and her hands. And right for reading, she could actually use plastic letters. She could be punching in numbers on a screen, the kinesthetic is touch. So she may require extra tutoring at home that caters to kinesthetic learning. But she will learn much faster if they cater to that. Now in a classroom of many children, this may not be doable, and because she gets bored and restless and isn’t absorbing she becomes a problem. Give her something for her hands to do and learn with her hands and she’ll be fine and sit in the corner and learn quite fine. Thank you very much.

ROSE: (Chuckles) Okay, okay. Yeah.

How to gauge how shifted a kid is

Is any of my kids—we have five grandchildren—are any of these kids, Elias calls it shifted, to a large degree?

TOMPKIN: Yeah. Two

ROSE: I’ll give you the names and you say which ones, okay?

TOMPKIN: But, first you tell me: what’s your impression?

ROSE: Oh my god. Oh my god. (Both laugh)

TOMPKIN: Hahahah. We play a game. Let’s play a game.

ROSE: Okay, I would say Samuel because he says things like my husband was with him outdoors and they did some stuff and he was he was disengaging from the task and was just kind of roaming the lands and so grandpa asked: “Are you bored?” And he said: “No, I’m playing with my thoughts.”


ROSE: We found it remarkable because he was, I don’t know, he was seven or eight at the time. Or eight, I guess. It was a remarkable answer. So: no I’m playing with my thoughts. And he literally used these terms. 

TOMPKIN: And so he was and you are correct. Okay. And the next one.

ROSE: This is number one. Then I have Lucia, seven years old, which I was frolicking about, and, I don’t know… Then I have Rasmus. And then I have Jasper. And then we have Mats. Mats is just two years old now.

TOMPKIN: And so… your impression of them?

ROSE: Oh god… I’m drawn to Mats, even though I don’t have much experience, but I don’t know. So now please.

TOMPKIN: Well, you are almost correct. Jasper.

ROSE: Jasper? He is very self-directed. Haha

TOMPKIN: Yes, exactly. And that’s the clue, and the other could prove to be shortly. So, yes, the other is moving in that direction very rapidly, but not quite, not quite developed.

Practicing unconditional love

ROSE: I see. Great. Okay. Okay, now we have to move on because of time, time thing. I’m practicing, you could say unconditional love and acceptance, being present. And recently I presented someone expressing quite, um, you know… Okay, what I want to… let’s start again, the main thing is, the main subject is sometimes I react, like, um, I noticed that if I would put it in this term, that somehow my limbic brain portions start to get active. I tend to get potentially aggressive, rejecting and simultaneously, um, how do you say, not enjoying the experience itself on my end, and if someone that is the connection, someone expressed quite a toxic energy load, energy boost towards myself in a one on one encounter, and I had to struggle a little bit with coping with that energetic load in my direction. Even though I know it wasn’t personal, it was just the way this person is, is directing herself.

TOMPKIN: Is expressing. 

Handling the Toxic expression of another

ROSE: Yeah. But this is something that I not often bump into. But when I bump into it, it’s a little bit difficult for me to buffer out this toxic expression. I call it toxic because it feels so unpleasant. It’s not a discounting.

TOMPKIN: What do you think would be the trigger there?

ROSE: For me, or for her? 

TOMPKIN: For you.

ROSE: Well, I have experiences with being exposed to this kind of energy and expression. And not being able to allow myself to set boundaries because then it would have been more dangerous. Elias has been talking about disposable, that humans traumatized humans and disposability is a great topic, subject for them. And this person was expressing very strongly that if I wouldn’t kind of comply or if I would trigger her too much with her unresolved issues, she would just fire me she would just dispose me and I, I like this job and I want to keep it in Besides, I want to be accepting and developing unconditional love not as a concept, but as a way of living. You know? 

TOMPKIN: I am understanding. So when you feel triggered, or aggravated, or experience annoyance, just take a step back and take three deep breaths. Refocus yourself and ask, what can be the trigger there? Why your emotions get under control. If you refocus your brain on something else, immediately, the emotions will calm somewhat so that you can think because when that limbic brain as you say, kicks in, and the temper flares, and the annoyance is there, you want to say something, it is best to just take three deep breaths, pause and ask, what was the trigger? What could she have just done or said, or reflected to you that you found insulting, annoying, aggravating, whatever the experiences that you’re having. And then when you look towards yourself, you may find it is from a past experience a past association, as you say, and don’t follow the feeling down the rabbit hole. Move away, refocus on something else, say I’ll get back to you. I just need to refocus myself for a minute. Or just say I have a tickle in my throat and I need to just, I might sneeze or something move away, and then reevaluate. What is the underlying trigger? And you may find it’s a repeat trigger, with more than… 

ROSE: It is.

TOMPKIN: It is, and when you discover what it is, you’ll find what the association is with it. And then you can grasp hold of it and say, hmm, how can I shift this to something more positive? And if you still struggle with that, then we can be addressing to that but I am sure you will find a way to flip that because your intention is to be not opposing, more accepting, but at the same time, not a victim, not bullied and not abused.

ROSE: Right. I approached her in this encounter very openly and very constructively I just said okay, what do you want? What do you want me to do instead? What is it that you want to convey, so to speak? And what is the goal for both of us? Where do where do we want to go to so that it works both of us? How can we do that? Just in the cooperative and constructive way. Not in an arrogant and “looking down on her” way, but not in not getting caught in back and forth until conflict and what have you but just cut the state.  I attempted to tune to her perception to understand what she was wanting to convey to me immediately instead of quarreling or whatever move forwards to: Okay, what is it? Where are we heading? How can we do that? 

TOMPKIN: Yeah, where’s the common ground? What can we do?

ROSE: Where’s the common ground and not complying? It’s not about a complying. Not at all, no.

TOMPKIN: No. And it’s not about compromise, either. It’s about moving forward in a direction where there’s excellent communication and the goals are achieved, and yet both individuals are free.

ROSE: Right, right. It’s just, I have to repeat it. It’s just she’s, she’s lashing out on people and she’s not aware of it. And she denies doing that. And when she comes with these energy boosts, I have not yet figured out, because it connects to my own story in a way I have not yet figured out. It doesn’t bother me big time. But I couldn’t say doesn’t bother me at all. 

TOMPKIN: It is. It is bothersome for it is affecting. So you could look at the energy as bubbles flying at you and pop the bubbles. Or put a white bubble around yourself to buffer her energy somewhat while you listen intently to what she says. 

ROSE: That sounds so esoteric, haha!

TOMPKIN: Ah, but it works. It’s magic, it works. And if you were to take deep breaths and slow your breathing right down while you’re listening and just nod your head and listen, you’ll find she lowers her energy for when she’s ramped up about a project or an idea or something she wants done. She comes at it with a great charge behind her and your own breath and your own heartbeat and your own relaxation will then bring her down to a calm level and she’ll settle.

ROSE: Yeah, she settled already with what I did, because later she came warm-heartedly and she never does that. She came warm-heartedly and she gave her farewell greetings, parting greetings. Usually she just disappears without a word without saying goodbye or anything. But she came in like she would be best friends. And she’s an acquaintance since almost 30 years, but we never really come close came close as friends. But we had a good go along with each other as acquaintances. And she came warm-heartedly as if we were best friends and as if we had the great day today and great experience. And I was surprised. I thought, wow, what is that?

TOMPKIN: What did I do? Now this is what you asked yourself, what did I do? First and foremost, you did not oppose, you offered an exchange of energy in a way that is reassuring and calming, that you’re caring, and you’re listening, and that you are valuing her opinion, and valuing the situation and valuing what she wants. But at the same time, your energy did not meet up with the same level as hers. It came in quietly saying, with your hands open, I’m here, I’m willing to listen, let’s go and that offering of accepting of her energy, but not immediately having to buffer it or meet it allowed her to have her energy dissipate. So she could think, be more calm. And realize you’re truly interested in her and what she was trying to explain.

ROSE: Exactly, I was really interested. 


ROSE: I was really interested, because I wanted to cooperate. And I want this to because I like her, I really like her. I don’t mind that she has unresolved stuff and is unaware, my oh my, she has been working all her life, she hasn’t had time to hang around and read Elias stuff or whatever. She has been doing very well and she has unresolved stuff and I understand that there is nothing to reject her. So I was really interested because I wanted this to get going. 

TOMPKIN: And so by offering yourself in this manner of communication, you also allowed her to feel validated. 

ROSE: Okay.

TOMPKIN: And this left her feeling valued and of importance and that you were on a friendly level. 

ROSE: Okay.

TOMPKIN: There was no integrity. (?) Now; so the key with this individual is to let the energy blast past you and not to rise up and meet it so that you do not become feeling ill or aggravated or agitated. Just let it poof…. go because this individual requires this to actually come to the point.  It’s like a tornado in a teacup you need to allow the storm to pass and then you can talk. (Chuckles)

ROSE: Aha. When she… we had a previous situation where we had a meeting of the employees and her and we wanted to address some subjects that had been coming up and needed to be addressed to and it was about cleaning the rooms. And I said: “But what about a professional cleaner?” And she cut my word and she, she would wave it off. And she wouldn’t even greatly respond to it. And I thought: Wow, that’s strange. That’s strange. I felt as if I was in a cult. And I had kind of violated rules. And spoken up of things, I am not allowed or not, not whatever… to speak up to which for me, her way of thinking sounds illogical, in the way. Or, let’s say, clouded, clouded, not illogical, clouded, logical in her way of thinking, totally logical, but a clouded from a broader perspective.

TOMPKIN: So on one hand, this individual wants to feel validated and heard, but yet, she is still a storm in a teacup and doesn’t absorb anyone else’s input.

ROSE: Ah. (Tompkin chuckles)

TOMPKIN: So it may take time for her to recognize that she can railroad individuals. And if you are to converse in this manner, where you have an idea, perhaps approach it with: Well, I have an idea, would you like to hear it? Or would you be receptive to my idea? And then you have her attention. And then present it for then she feels important, because you asked.

ROSE: Okay, great, right. That totally makes sense to me. Now, we have to come to the last topic for the session today.

TOMPKIN: Very well.

ROSE: Otherwise, the time is off. And, okay, let’s go. Let’s go. 

Shedding weight

You had this wonderful recipe of next, moving my attention, and it has worked in the non-physical realm, so to speak. Even though there is no strict distinction, because my life is physical. But I mean, with something, what subtle things like psyche and mood and motion thinking, 


ROSE: So, okay, I want to do the same magic with my body, because I have gained a lot of weight last year with some medications and everything. And it’s, it’s difficult for me to find the… how do you say? The knack and the get going, building the momentum in the direction of losing weight. And I have been successful just two years ago, when I also had a little too much weight, and I started to reduce sugar, and it’s, after a while, exclude refined sugars from my diet, and somewhat less bread or carbohydrates. And I did something that is called interval fasting.

TOMPKIN: Yes, intermittent fasting. Yes.

ROSE: Yes. Yeah. Right, intermittent. And I shed at least 16 to 18 kilo. 

TOMPKIN: My! That is an accomplishment.

ROSE: Yeah. And it was totally easy. And it was around the time span was around one year, 10 months to one year was wonderful. But at the moment, I’ve was with all these medications, and I have gained about 20 kilos, and as fat as I’ve never been before, and it’s uncomfortable. And, and I don’t like it, but I don’t I don’t force or stress myself. Because that doesn’t work at all. But I would like to do the same magic as I did it with my psyche and everything.

TOMPKIN: Okay. With your weight

ROSE: With my weight, right. 

What my body consciousness likes and doesn’t like

TOMPKIN: Okay, so let’s look at what your body consciousness prefers and doesn’t prefer. So, it prefers a timeframe of at least six hours between meals.

ROSE: Okay, do you mean my individual body conscious? 


ROSE: Okay.

Everybody’s body is different. Yours prefer an interval of six hours between meals, and then it would like a substantial meal, with adequate protein, a very small amount of carbohydrates, very small, and much fiber. So vegetables in any form that you prefer or even a fruit in the morning to add to the fiber, so the fibers slows down the absorption of the fat and it also assists the protein to absorb effectively. It also helps your bowel continue with some fluid in it, so it’s less dry. It increases the transit time so that the fluid is not absorbed from the bowel. Now…

ROSE: Okay. 

TOMPKIN: It does not like dairy. It does not like wheat. It does not like mushrooms. 


TOMPKIN: So something like pizza would be terrible, because it combines all three.

ROSE: Right. But it tastes good.

TOMPKIN: It does taste good, but your body consciousness then goes… Oh…it’s so slowing down of the metabolism. So if you were to partake in perhaps a lovely pasta dish with a bit of chicken with zucchini noodles, instead. You know the spiralized noodles.

ROSE: You mean zucchini?

TOMPKIN: Yeah, zucchini. 

ROSE: Okay, 

TOMPKIN: Courgette in noodles. Instead of wheat noodles. You could have a huge dish of this and your body would love it. The fiber, the fiber, the moisture, the water, the protein, perfect. 

ROSE: Okay. 

TOMPKIN: There’s no dairy, there’s no mushrooms. And there’s no wheat. If you were to snack on celery, and dip it in some spinach dips or some fancy dips you make yourself the celery adds the fluid and the fiber. It’s filling. 

ROSE: Yeah. 

TOMPKIN: Do you see where I’m going with this? 

ROSE: Yes, I do. 

TOMPKIN: Yeah. So you can fill up on a substantial meal every six hours with lots of fibers, lots of vegetables and some protein. And if you feel like having a big steak have a big steak.

ROSE: Oh, I’m vegetarian. I don’t eat steaks.

TOMPKIN: Then don’t eat the steaks. Haha

But your body consciousness actually likes meat. But if mentally you do not like meat, then this is fine. But you will need protein

ROSE: My body consciousness likes meat? Wow. Jesus Christ.

TOMPKIN: Hahahaha… It does! But if you do not like it, then this is fine, also. You may obtain protein in other ways and it’s perfectly okay.

ROSE: You’re right. I’m not fanatic. I had the strong urge to have some chicken. Chicken we call it chicken breast. 


ROSE: I don’t know if in English it’s the same.

TOMPKIN: Yeah, chicken breast.

ROSE: Ja. I had a strong feeling of I need some chicken breast. And so I went and bought meat. So I can’t say I’m a vegetarian anymore. Because I broke the rule. But I went a few times or so I bought something and now it’s gone. I don’t have this urge anymore.

TOMPKIN: So when you have the urge, listen. For you’re quite intuitive and in tune with your body and what it requires. So if you eat a meal and you feel suddenly tired, and you feel quite fatigued in your arms and your neck and even breathing feels tiresome. You know that you ate something your body consciousness, didn’t appreciate.

ROSE: Okay.

TOMPKIN: Now let me suggest before we finish, you would benefit from a thumping on your back. So there are some machines you can get at home you may use yourself or you may lay in a downwards direction and have another do cupping on your back where they thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, put their hand in a cup, or you may use the machine but it would help clear secretions from your lungs. 

ROSE: Aha.

TOMPKIN: And making your breathing easier. 

ROSE: Okay, 

TOMPKIN: This was somewhat clearer when you eat less dairy and less wheat anyway.

ROSE: Oh, I don’t have much dairy. 


ROSE: Not at all. So…

TOMPKIN: Is it in foods you are consuming?

ROSE: Yeah, okay. Lately I have been eating a little bit cheese. So it’s not that I’m strictly non-dairy but I have sometimes, some moments of eating cheese when I’m too lazy to do something else. I snack on cheese, so to speak.

TOMPKIN: You and many others. It’s a convenient snack.

ROSE: Yeah, right, right. I’m too lazy sometimes, to prepare a meal for me. So I snack on something that’s just available and that’s it

TOMPKIN: Now; perhaps you could snack on…  Do you enjoy? You may not being vegetarian, lox, salmon. Smoked salmon.

ROSE: Salmon. 

TOMPKIN: Yeah. Do you enjoy salmon?

ROSE: You mean the fish? 


ROSE: Yeah, I do.

TOMPKIN: Yeah. So it’s the slices of that. With perhaps a non-dairy slice that’s like cheese. Or even a spread that’s non-dairy. There is cashew. Cashews spreads you could have, or nut spreads. And you may have it, they have fermented ones that are like spreadable cheese with a bit of salmon and some capers. On a few not too many, but a few rice crackers would be a good protein snack. And is easy one when you’re tired and you don’t want to cook.

ROSE: Okay. Okay. Great. Thanks for the kidney, finishing for the kidney. But basically, liquids, right?

TOMPKIN: Increase your consumption of celery, water. Not too much water, but enough just sipping through the day. If you wanted to have herbs, you could try some nettle for now. That would be helpful.

ROSE: Nettles dehydrate myself then I have problems getting the liquid in again.

TOMPKIN: So are you taking it in tea or in tablet? 

ROSE: Tea. If I have nettle then it’s really dehydrating my body.

TOMPKIN: Oh. This is interesting for your body likes nettle, and yet you’re finding it dehydrating. Perhaps you could incorporate, if you may, if you can find it. Either, small amounts of Juniper herb or Schizandra herb. 

ROSE: Juniper?


We usually have juniper berries.

Yes, you can get juniper in herbal form to treat the kidney but you must use it very sparingly. 

ROSE: Okay.

TOMPKIN: Celery works wonders if you like it.

ROSE: You mean this sticks of celery, not the…?

TOMPKIN: Yah. The sticks. You can also get it in herbal form but the sticks are also good because they offer your body the water and the fiber as well. And it’s tasty with a piece of the vegetarian cheese, spreadable cheese or with a salmon on it.

ROSE: Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. I’ve enjoyed this session.

TOMPKIN: And, I have as well. And may I continue to be encouraging of your advancement in paying attention to yourself, and how you emotionally interconnect with other people, and all the while looking at balance in your life, emotionally, physically, the improvement is most remarkable. And I encourage you to continue.

ROSE: Yeah, balance… Balance is sometimes a little…

TOMPKIN: Challenging but you are getting there. You’re getting there.

ROSE: Okay, thank you.

TOMPKIN: You are most welcome. 

ROSE: Until our next meeting

TOMPKIN: Until we chat again, my friend. Goodbye.

ROSE: Goodbye. Thanks.