ROBEY: We see the effects of climate change which we can see all over the world now. People and also governments are making plans to reduce the carbon dioxide emissions. They also have plans to plant more trees replacing fossil fuels, etc. And it’s certainly a good initiative but I wonder if this is the most urgent for now since Elias always tells us that it is better to focus on how to cope with the climate change, so we should start for example with migrating people from risky areas and start creating infrastructure where the effects of climate change are not that high. I wonder, should we do both? Can you say something about, what is more urgent to do?
TOMPKIN: It is urgent to stop, as you say in what they’re doing currently. For the deep sea drilling is having a profound effect for fossil fuels. It is destabilizing the earth and how it actually spins. That is a priority.
People choosing not to use fossil fuel is helpful for there is less demand for it. People, insisting on friendly alternatives is helping, for then there’s less requirement for it.
They’re actually using more explosive technology now to go further because they do not recognize that they are pretty much depleted.
So, there is a need for change, yes.
Now, there is also going to be an extreme need for the migration of people. However, the countries that exist with people in their lives liking it the way that they do, they do not want Africa on their doorstep. They do not want South America, living with them. And this is part of this plan with the pandemic, they no longer have to have those open borders.
ROBEY: Yeah, yeah, the side effect of the Corona that they closed the borders and not allow people to pass or to migrate to other countries.
TOMPKIN: It is not a side effect of Corona. It was actually a decision with Corona, it was seen as an opportunity for the United Nations has passed a ruling that it is unlawful globally for any country to refuse climate change refugees.
For places that can support a limited population such as Australia, this proves problematic. They’re already overpopulated. Hence the closed doors since the beginning.
Countries that could take a lot more people are England, Scotland, Canada, Germany, United States, Russia, just as examples. However, they are not set up to feed them. They don’t actually have the climate to feed them year round. So then they would be relying on other countries to assist with that.
The key for the countries that are going to suffer, would be for those countries to establish ways to capture water, to grow more trees, to learn permaculture systems, to learn aqueduct systems, to learn desalination, to begin to create to fend for themselves now.
Their governments are not so supportive and spend money willy nilly but once the government realizes they’re in trouble as well, they will then move in the direction of spending money on that, for there have been aid agencies in these countries assisting with this for years, and it’s never been done on a large scale.
ROBEY: Yeah, they always discussing and making plans, however the real action is not really happening.
TOMPKIN: The lockdowns will become less of a concern, when storms, earthquakes, floods, make more news than the government’s constant fear injection into the public, for the government won’t have to do that anymore. For the public will have enough fear about the fires, the floods, and how to cope with that, and they will become noisy.
Most of British Columbia, Canada, this year was on fire. Three towns were affected severely. Lots of animals were lost, people’s homes were lost, and although this area will get more rainfall in the future it will also get a bit hotter.
There will be places in every continent that start to realize this is an ongoing problem. It’s not seasonal anymore. It’s not going to go away.
ROBEY: It’s already happening at the moment. According to you, it will get even worse than it is now?
TOMPKIN: Not necessarily worse in those individual places, it will just be more widespread. I mean widespread within their own continents. So, the east coast of Australia as an example, It’s always burned down so now it’s burning further north.
Now it’s burning in places where it’s never burned because it’s tropical.
ROBEY: Yeah, yeah it’s going to different places.
TOMPKIN: And there is also some weather manipulation that is going on. And this is having unexpected, unusual effects, and may prove beneficial at times but more explosive than other times with unexpected catastrophes, so there is some weather manipulation that can be done but it’s expensive. It really hasn’t been done when it’s required.
ROBEY: But as an individual. What is the best way to support. I know we’ cannot avoid climate change, we have to go along with it but what is the best action to do in the situation we are living in now?
TOMPKIN: En masse, individually, choose no plastic it’s full of petrochemicals.
Choose to go fuel less transition to fuel – less in whatever way you can with whatever technology’s available to you at the time. Choose to plant trees, choose to use less water, choose to filter and reuse your water so that the water from your shower is then re filtered and use for your toilet.
ROBEY: There will also be a shortage of water, in several places I guess, in the world then?
TOMPKIN: Most of the world will have issues with fresh water. Capture water. So in the summer if it’s dry you have large cisterns of water you’ve captured when it was wet to then water with. Grow food closer to home. If individuals all had backyard gardens, there would not be a need for massive systems of mono cropping, where the soil is left bare for long periods of time and the dirt blows away to the ocean. And there’s no tree, those fields could then be replanted for tree crops. Large trees that produce crops, but also attract water, groundwater recycle water and create oxygen.
If everyone has a garden and makes that effort, they will require to go to the store less, they will require less fuel, they will have a bountiful of organic produce to go out and consume. They will find themselves, healthier, fitter, they won’t need to go to the shops for their vegetables. Small animals can be raised on normal blocks to feed people if they choose to consume meat. Sharing with your neighbor; I have a glut of this, what have you got, I’ve planted fruit trees, what have you got? Community gardening in gardens that match up over fences. What a fantastic idea.
ROBEY: You mean the people living in communities should produce their own foods as much as possible?
TOMPKIN: Share over the fences and if you are growing a big crop of tomatoes. Well, I’m going to grow a big crop of peppers to go with your tomatoes. So, it’s about community thinking and community sharing, and this will move everyone in the direction of acknowledging differences and working together.
On a larger scale, governments could put more into filtering water reusing water, managing how their councils actually utilize their water, their facilities, become fuel less themselves.
Housing. You could look at your own housing, and how it is insulated against climate change how you utilize the sun for winter to come in and heat your floors, so passive solar. You could utilize how you gather water. You could utilize new technology for how you heat and how you cook, and this would vary for individuals around the planet so people in Australia could really use a lot more solar power and dehydration cooking. They can have solar on their roofs that power their entire house. A lot of them do, but it feeds back into a central grid which is still using fossil fuels so to go more off grid would require governments to make those systems cheaper they’re intentionally kept higher. And the more people that can be more efficient in that manner would be helpful.
If individuals, put their money where their mouth is and put their assets, put their well earned dollars which many have more than they require into investments that only support that direction, it would send a very strong message to those companies that continue in archaic, draconian measures of not only controlling governments in the public but pillaging the planet.
It’s about doing research and then putting your money into stocks or companies that you value.
ROBEY: Yeah, I agree.
TOMPKIN: For you as an individual, I would recommend reusing and upcycling. So, you have items that you can repurpose, multipurpose, use for as long as possible, rather than buying new, you can create, you have the capacity and the knowledge to create your own systems of power that could integrate and it would be a creative outlet for you, and promote inspiration for your inventions, while setting up your own house in a manner that is more self-sustaining made of reused upcycled materials as much as possible.
ROBEY: Okay. That’s a good advice. I think as people in the world we’re making some progress but I’m still doubting if we’re doing enough. As Elias always says: You do but you can do more. I think that’s also the case, we see the problem but I guess we don’t really understand the impact of the problem.
TOMPKIN: That will change, I assure you.
ROBEY: Okay, we will be forced with regard to natural disasters which will happen.
TOMPKIN: It is at the point now where it has reached a tipping point, and people will now have to adapt. So, houses will have to be changed to offer more comfort, people might have to move. villages may have to adapt to feed more sustainably. Boats may become more of a transport in the future, for there’s technology that uses other fuel and less moving of goods around from country to country would be ideal.
ROBEY: Yeah, yeah, it takes a lot of fuel and a lot of pollution.
TOMPKIN: And it keeps people in poverty in the countries that create items.
ROBEY: Currently there is already the trend to switch from fuel to electric cars and also they’re talking about hydrogen as a new fuel system for cars. Is this a good direction to go or has this to be seen as an intermediate direction?
TOMPKIN: It’s really not being utilized as it could be. It could happen literally in one year that the whole world is like that, but the manufacturers are refusing to move on for they are subsidized by those that have interest in fossil fuels. So until people refuse fossil fuels, this is not going to happen overnight.
ROBEY: Also the elite has some influence in this, because they probably own these fossil companies.
TOMPKIN: (Laughs) Absolutely.
ROBEY: Okay, a lot of things to do, but. Thanks for your advice on this, but it’s also necessary that we start making infrastructure in places in the world where we will not be affected by climate change that much, so not near coast but more inland?
TOMPKIN: There will be a natural attrition, a natural move to those areas, and it will create spontaneous creativity, and building. Individuals firstly that will be affected will have some money to promote creative ideas with that so it may surprise everyone, what’s created.
And there will be other worldly assistance.
ROBEY: I don’t get it, what do you mean other worldly assistance?
TOMPKIN: Other world. Other worlds? Other worldly assistance, so there will be access to technology, from not of earth.
ROBEY: Okay. This already happens soon, that we all get access to the new technology?
TOMPKIN: That is yet to be determined. It is much closer than it was. And yet, there is a small hesitation, but it is likely that this will be overcome in a shorter timeframe than expected, given the strife that the planet is experiencing at the moment, so it’s not for sure, but it is definitely a possibility.
ROBEY: I would like to talk about the corona vaccine. I decided not to take the corona vaccine and the main reason for this is that I want to emphasize my own defence mechanism. I also don’t want to support a world where we become a kind of green house plant as they say, so for every disease we need a vaccination. I also think that my decision is based on my perception in respect to making use of medicines and that also has some influence I guess.
I try not to blame people which are taking the vaccine. Because I’m aware that, indeed, if you really have the perception that it will work, the vaccine, then of course it will work.
Do you think that it was a wise decision of mine to not take the vaccine or it doesn’t matter if I would have taken it yes or no?
TOMPKIN: My question to you is do you feel comfortable with your decision?
ROBEY: Yeah I feel comfortable with my decision.
TOMPKIN: That is all that matters. The threat from the virus is minuscule and you have already had it very mildly and didn’t even know.
Yes it’s mutating all the time but so does the flu. You are more likely to catch the flu than the Coronavirus in any form that would be challenging. And I would agree with your perception, that your immune system can overcome what is presented to the body. And I would encourage you to trust yourself, when you have brought into your awareness some evidence that there could be different flus or man caused viruses that you think “Ah I will just hang out at home while this passes through and just to trust your impression of when you should do that, for there will be more. It just mean you isolate, it just means that you know when to stay home and work on consuming foods that boost your immune system.
You could engage herbs that boost your immune system, whatever fits in line with what you’re comfortable with. In order to recognize you are safe, and protecting yourself! You don’t need some chemicals in your arm to protect yourself.
ROBEY: Yes, I was aware of that. In probably most countries of the world now the discussion is going on if there should be restrictions for people whom are not vaccinated. They are putting people against each other in fact that you’ve got a group of people which are vaccinated and the people which are not vaccinated. At the governments they are proposing that people which are not vaccinated are not allowed to go to public areas like restaurants or cinemas or that they need to have a Corona passport. Is there a chance that there will be a lot of restrictions which will come for the people which are not vaccinated?
TOMPKIN: There is a high probability that this will diffuse as people realize that they have family members of mixed feelings, and they wish to respect their family members, and then their family members can’t join them for public functions, and there will also be a bit of a bubble burst when the majority of the population realizes, Oh, you must have another vaccine and another vaccine and another vaccine in order to do anything and in reality they will realize that they still cannot travel. Then they will come to the understanding that they’re not free.
When this occurs, then individuals will begin to look at “Perhaps these people that were conspiracy theorists, or untrusting or we viewed as extreme or stupid, perhaps they had a point.”
Perhaps we should be acknowledging them, because how did we get here and they’ll be looking at themselves thinking perhaps I should have looked at all the facts, and realized that I should have stood up and said something. Then, it is likely that individuals will just start doing what they want to do because they’ll realize that the government really can’t control them given their actual laws. Mandates are mandates, laws are laws.
ROBEY: But I was maybe thinking to take the vaccine in case the situation got really worse to go to different places. What do you think is it wise to do that or I can better say okay I don’t go to places now for quite some time and I’ll do that later when it has passed by?
TOMPKIN: I would say, if you feel unsteady about it or unsure that you take some time to just look at how you actually live your life and live your life with the mindset of freedom, and live your life without restriction. And if there comes a point where someone says no, sorry, you cannot come in, then you may shop elsewhere.
There will be shops that have that law as well And you will find your way through that for a while, and it will be an interesting situation to watch and observe. Don’t you agree?
TOMPKIN: And it’s undecided. It really is undecided how this is going to unfold but it is moving much quicker than we expected and it’s extremely efficient having people acknowledge differences and you’ll find inside most workplaces people are discussing, “Oh you’re not getting the vaccine?” In fact people just quietly go do what they want and the topic is embraced it’s a bit like politics and religion it’s not discussed in a workplace where people care about each other, so it may become this way outside in the society as well.
It may be the elephant under the rug and not spoken about for it can cause arguments and disagreements between individuals that care about each other. So, there will be an interesting process as it unfolds. And it’s entirely up to you my friend how you’re observing of that, but as long as you are comfortable and moving forward with the mindset that you are free and you’re able to do as you wish and you create your own reality. You may find that you are relatively unaffected by that and you may find that you can persist with your current view and watch it unfold with interest and then decide later.
ROBEY: Yeah, that’s good advice. Thank you. Elias said that the corona would end somewhere in September which we are in now. Do you think that’s really the case or is there a possibility that we get some after burners because we’re going back to the flu seasons, again in Europe?
TOMPKIN: There may be the odd case here and there but it will be reported that flu cases are Corona cases most likely. It has created a momentum of control, and it has created sects of governments that actually are enjoying manipulating the public they are enjoying keeping income in certain areas they are enjoying having the freedom to do what they want to do for people are scared to say anything, so there are mines going in forestry being done, roads being not taken care of, money going places where the public can’t scrutinize it because everyone is paying attention to their television. So maybe governments have discovered it’s a freedom ticket for them to do as they want with their money and the power they have. So they are not going to want to relinquish that easily. Until the public says stop.
ROBEY: Thanks for this, for how to deal with the corona in the future.
TOMPKIN: Just remember you are free my friend.
ROBEY: Yeah, yeah. I was already aware of it, but I’m trying also not to focus too much on it. There was a period where I was focusing too much on the conspiracy theories but I think that’s also not the way to go.
TOMPKIN: No and it’s not a match for your energy for you know all this already. You know that there is an interplay of individuals with their own agendas and you know that’s in the background so when you watch this unfolding with the public, you recognize the energetic reactions, that you may choose to go in your own direction of freedom and comfort and living your life despite the chaos.
ROBEY: Yeah, that I’m trying. So I hope I can still manage it in the in the future. Thank you for that advice.
ROBEY: In the past I already asked you some questions about the elites and now I have one more. Last year at the World Economic Forum (WEF) they had a meeting about the possibility of a major cyberattack which would shut down the internet, and which would cause a lot of problems in the world, because we really depend on the internet because a lot of systems are working on internet. Is this still a real possibility that these kinds of events will happen? And are they also related to the shift?
TOMPKIN: Yes, there is a very real possibility this could happen, it may not happen globally all at once, it may happen, almost like Coronavirus, country to country.
It is an attempt to destabilize. It is an attempt to have people feeling insecure so they move to a more secure system (that’s is what they tell..) and that gives them the opportunity to sell a more ‘secure’ system to the people which really just ends up being a system of monopoly. It is a probability that this could move towards a new type of digital currency. In the meantime, for yourself and others what you can do is invest in your own home so that you are feeling stable and secure and comfortable, and keep some monetary value whether it’s in coins or cash at home. It’s not earning anything in the bank, anywhere, in any country.
ROBEY: That’s indeed 0%…
TOMPKIN: And this is intentional. So, if you have it secure then it will still hold its value for now. If this should occur you won’t leave individuals feeling so frightened.
ROBEY: Is this needed since these cyberattacks will shut down the digital payment systems and then you can’t pay digital anymore at shops? Is this the reason to have some cash at home?
TOMPKIN: Yeah, it’ll be short term but it could very well be presented in intervals. So it’s really annoying and catastrophic and then annoying and catastrophic and then annoying and less catastrophic. Oh, here we have this new system. Oh, let’s try that. Can you see where this could be going? It’s still a probability.
ROBEY: This is also part of the adventurous game we have chosen to follow. So that’s also the exciting thing. So we’ll see what will happen.