Chats with Tompkin


Transcripts April 3, 2020

Tara & Elias — Tara’s move to Canada from Oz

ELIAS: Good evening! 

TARA: Good evening Elias, longtime no chat! 

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! And how are you proceeding my friend? 

TARA: Well, I was doing good, now I’m on a bit of an emotional rollercoaster and I thought it would be nice to talk to a dead dude, like sittin’ and having a chat, instead of having a chat with one in my head! (Laughs). Not that I don’t appreciate Tompkin—I do appreciate him enormously—it’s different having an actual verbal conversation.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well. 

(10 minutes was discussing a private family matter, so it has been omitted.)

TARA: Now, I don’t know if you know, I think you do, because you’ve been speaking to other people about the trauma that Australia has been experiencing with climate extremes and the 12℃ increase in temperature and mega firestorms and the fact that 1600 properties burned and 19 people are dead and 5 million hectares are burned. (Note: 36 died by end of summer.)

It’s gobsmacking in our face and I find it quite traumatizing, I have trouble not focusing on it. I have been trying to focus on being comfortable. How comfortable I am and engaging in horse riding and definitely partaking in air conditioning, but it’s not like the floods where I could be more observing and not directly, physically impacted. You cannot really escape 43 ℃ which we’ve had and then my brain went down some rabbit holes after Tompkin said to look at a few things; like crops, cattle, how the animals are affected by heat and that you can’t grow food in 40 and 50º heat and the domino effect in how that will affect the Australian economy, jobs, house prices, how people are going to recover mentally from this trauma of losing everything and it dawned on me that, maybe it’s time I left Australia. I know there is no escaping climate change but I don’t know that it’s going to be a safe place for much longer to be.

ELIAS: That is a significant question

TARA: It is. I did ask before, you and Tompkin about where I should be and you both agreed to stay put and I’m thinking that’s changed now. 

ELIAS: I would say that it depends on where you are in that country, I would say there are some areas that you would view as still safe but I would say that is also a matter of time. It isn’t that they won’t be safe necessarily, but that it will definitely be a situation in which you will be required to adjust to a very new and different lifestyle.

TARA: Well we’ve tried to adjust to how we like to live to maintain our comfort, for example I’ve planted our own veggie patches, we put in water tanks, we put up shade cloths over our garden that help the plants survive, but the amount of water we have to pour on now, it means that we are NOT able to live in the lifestyle we appreciate. We appreciate a lifestyle of self sufficiency where we eat out of our garden, we support the bees, we can raise our own hens, and my hens nearly died in the 43 degree heat. I mean, it was bad. I had to put ice in their water, they were rolling in the water on the ground, I’ve never seen hens do that. They were suffering and I look around and I think, I know this year might be bad. My impression is next year could be a lull; like the weather will go back a bit normal, and maybe people will just go back into that denial, of ‘oh yeah, it was just Australia’s one off weather,’ And I think to myself, maybe a good time to leave here would be in two years, sell everything and go back to Canada. But I’m not sure if Canada would be any better! 

ELIAS: (Inaudible) I would say is that Canada, I would say, in relation to climate change and the direction that is already engaged, depending upon where you are in Canada, actually there are parts of Canada that may be more productive in relation to climate change.

TARA: Oh! Okay, well, I looked at British Columbia ’cause that’s where I’m from originally and that’s what makes me the most comfortable, and I can easily go back to that nursing registration and continue to work there. So I looked at it and I looked at these climate change predictions by the scientists, don’t know if they’re right, and they said that it’s expected to get more rain. So I was looking at a place called Okanagan, where Barb lives, you’ve spoken to her before and it’s a beautiful place. It has lakes but it is a dry steppe with sage brush, sandy kind of area, but if it gets more rain it would probably be beneficial. The reason that I’m looking at that area, is because it has a longer growing season and it’s warmer in the winter. I don’t do well in the cold.

ELIAS: And what I would say is, that is the key about certain areas in Canada, that because of Climate change their weather in certain areas will likely increase in temperature and therefore be expressed in a more mild temperature, not as extremes that they used to be. It will be an adjustment for the residents that already are living there because they are accustomed to certain weather patterns and their economy is based on that and therefore for them there is somewhat of an adjustment. But, I would say that the adjustment, if they move with it, they can actually in some areas of benefit because there will be longer growing seasons, there will be less extremes in weather patterns and there is likely to be more precipitation in certain parts of Canada. In some parts in which they depend on the weather being considerably cold, that will be much more of an adjustment, therefore I would say in areas such as Newfoundland and New Brunswick, those areas will have much more of an adjustment to their lifestyles.

TARA: Well, I’m looking at the other side of the country so that would be ideal for me. 

ELIAS: I would agree, I would say that there is a much different adjustment in the other direction, in the other coast. 

TARA: Okay, alright, so Tompkin did suggest Canada or Scotland. He said Scotland might be better for us because it’s a temperate climate , however I did investigate, immigration, visas, nursing jobs and I don’t feel comfortable with that decision now.

ELIAS: Very well.

TARA: I think it would be annoyingly a struggle to get immigration for both of us, whereas Canada we are half way done, I’m already Canadian.

ELIAS: Correct. 

TARA: Chris is worried about finding work there, we did look at jobs for him and his sort of training that he has is specialized and not specialized, he’s an odd fella, where he didn’t finish high school but he became a truck driver, a forklift operator, a warehouse operator, but now he blows up explosives for the military. So he’s highly specialized in one area but not highly educated, so when he looks at jobs he’s finding he won’t be making $30.00 an hour there is his view. So if he looked at the corrections facility in the Okanagen, would that be an opportunity for him do you think? 

ELIAS: It is a possibility. I would say, once again it depends on what he is creating, but it is a possibility. 

TARA: Okay, well also I work in the watch house as a custody nurse and I enjoy it in the watch house, ’cause I have freedom of  when I go there, when I start, and I enjoy interacting with the police so I was contemplating on working at the Oliver Prison. I had something funny happen, I ride this beautiful horse named Tyson and I was trying to work on my balance in my seat and I saw this picture of this cast of a bronze Indian, native Indian from America, and he is doing this stretch up to the sky and it puts you in a deeper seat on the horse (as depicted in Sally swifts book, centred riding) so everyday I was doing that on Tyson when I would ride, and then I looked on the Oliver Prison website and here they have this similar bronze statue with an Indian doing the same thing, and I went, “Hello!” (laughs).

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! 

TARA: Was that a message to myself that I feel comfortable and balanced there?

ELIAS: Yes, I would definitely agree. And I would say that that is excellent imagery for you. 

TARA: (Laughs) Yeah, it was good.

ELIAS: Excellent validation.

TARA: Yeah, okay. The other thing that’s been struggling for me with this whole issue emotionally is I’m so angry for one thing, I know I’ll get over it, but I’m really angry that Australia is going through this and the trauma people are going through and the poor, suffering of the animals. I know that the whole world will probably feel this way one day and I feel angry that I have to move, you know, to be more comfortable and to do what’s best for us economically. But I want to know how I can do this shift comfortably.

ELIAS: Well, I would say that you are already doing it. You are considering yourself and your comfort and although you may genuinely love where you are, you are also incorporating the self presence of recognizing that you don’t necessarily agree with the direction of the mass in your particular area and therefore you are looking at alternatives and what your choices are. And I would definitely acknowledge you in that. And I would encourage you in expressing that you are very much already moving in directions in which you are paying attention to you, you are noticing, you are actively participating in directions and expressions that are of benefit to you and therefore also rippling out but you are also recognizing the factors that you can’t change alone. 

TARA: Correct. Yes.

ELIAS: You can’t change other people’s choices and you are recognizing that and you are aware of it and in that, you aren’t moving in a direction of being a victim of other people’s choices but rather looking at what is occuring around you, evaluating your own direction, what you agree with, what you don’t agree with, what is important to you. 

TARA: Yes. On that note Elias, I have noticed that I find our government to be moving in a fascist direction and I am really alarmed with that, I might be wrong, but I feel that they’re offensive. So you’re right, I have noticed that and I don’t agree with them and I don’t like that so I don’t want to be part of that.

ELIAS: I understand. Now what I would say to you is, at this point it is a matter of recognizing that it is time for you to be genuinely expressing in your own direction and not necessarily, facing what you do or where you are on whether you agree with a particular government or not because presently and likely for a time framework it is likely that you won’t agree with most governments. 

TARA: (Laughs). Yes, I agree with that statement.

ELIAS: I would say that presently and for a time framework until this movement moves into a more balanced direction which for the near future, is very unlikely but for a time framework. 

TARA: Yeah.

ELIAS: For most of the governments in your world are moving in a direction that are in a manner of speaking somewhat oppositional and that actually is purposeful. Because it is moving the people in directions, or influencing them in directions to pay attention to themselves. To think for themselves, to not necessarily, entirely be moving in the direction of simply being told what to do. 

TARA: I think Australia could benefit from that somewhat, in that…

ELIAS: They are doing it now. The more the government expresses in either the complacent or an oppositional direction, or both, the more the people begin to question it, and to move in their own direction. 

TARA: That’s a positive spin on it then, because I could see where that would go. I could see the domino effect of that.

ELIAS: Yes, but the difficulty with that, is that it isn’t moving tremendously quickly.

TARA: No, no it’s true. Okay, so with that, I know that timeframes are different where you are. Chris and I are struggling with how should we extract ourselves from here. I feel excited actually, about going to Canada. And I’m somewhat impatient, but at the same time we have a lot to do and I’m wondering if I would move lighter and freer if I sold everything or if I should use a shipping container and ship stuff over there. I’m confused because it’s so hard to get rid of everything when you have stuff it’s overwhelming! I don’t need stuff! It’s just overwhelming!

ELIAS: What I would say is first of all, that, that is a matter of personal preference and choice but I would encourage you to be genuinely thinking about it. Genuinely evaluating. You are naturally an individual that looks at the entire picture, you don’t necessarily simply move in a direction of doing anything uninformed. Therefore I would encourage you to evaluate first of all, which would be more financially efficient for you, because that is a significant factor. And knowing that even if he moves in a direction of creating employment that is comparable to what he engages now, there is a possibility or a potential that he might not create that immediately.

TARA: Yeah, he does want to wait until he has long service leave, ’cause that’s his worry too. 

ELIAS: And that is definitely a possibility and it is more of a possibility because he is concerned about it. But I will also say that it is a matter of looking at the whole picture and what you evaluate would be more financially expedient for you, whether it be to sell what you have or whether it be to take some with you. Understand, whatever you sell and don’t take with you, that creates a situation in which then, you will require yourself, in a manner of speaking to begin over again. 

TARA: Yes, and that is what I was thinking. Oh my word! When you have two houses, two cars, a caravan and stuff, you have to replace all that. That’s costly!

ELIAS: Yes it is. And even if you don’t replace everything, it still is a considerable cost to be replacing what you have. But that is also a matter of looking at the shipping costs because that can be tremendously expensive also. Therefore, it is evaluating what is more efficient for you. But in relation to certain things, replacing them can be a considerable cost.

TARA: We do have a rental property here that helps us out. I could research maybe how we can keep that for a while, but that would lead me to another question, where you know the tsunami we discussed probabilities regarding that and it affecting the east coast of Australia, is it still a probability for seven to eight years or is it more likely four years? 

ELIAS: I would say five to six at this point and it does change and therefore there is a potential that in another year, it could actually move closer.

TARA: Okay, so I understand that. So maybe it’s best if we just sell that house and not risk it because nothing here is covered for tsunami coverage, we would lose it. Maybe we wouldn’t. How much of the east coast is it going to affect exactly, would it affect Chris’s houses at the Sunshine Coast? 

ELIAS: One moment. Actually that is debatable. That actually might not be affected at all. For if it is affected, it would be minimal.

TARA: Okay. That’s good to know.

ELIAS: I would definitely encourage you to do your research that there are many factors involved and that is significant. It is important that you are allowing yourself to be aware of all of the factors and the situation as a whole. 

TARA: I like to know that. I am a worldview kind of person. 

ELIAS: And understand, that area of Canada the cost of living in that area of Canada is likely higher than where you presently are. 

TARA: Oh really! Oh that’s a surprise! 

ELIAS: Therefore it may not be tremendous, but it is enough to notice.

TARA: Okay so that’s brought a question to my mind, is there a place in Canada that would suit us energetically better and weather wise, the way we like to live self sufficiently? 

ELIAS: Not necessarily. I would definitely recommend that if you were moving to that country that you remain on the west coast.

TARA: Okay, so that’s good to know. I’m comfortable with that area as well, having grown up over there. Barb had a quick question, she wanted to know if there was a better area to live in the Okanagen. A safe spot in the Okanagan that will buffer some of the Climate change. Is where she is okay or should she look somewhere else?

ELIAS: I would say that it isn’t necessary to move. I would say that, that would definitely be a matter of preference and her choice. It is isn’t a matter of necessity, it isn’t a matter of someplace being better than where she already is. 

TARA: Okay, that’s good to know, coz she’ll be living near where I’m thinking of moving, which should be nice because we can connect there. 

ELIAS: Excellent! 

TARA: Yeah! Yeah, we’ll have people from the Elias/Tompkin group together.

ELIAS: I would say that, that can be considerably reinforcing and supportive. 

TARA: I think so, ‘cause we remind each other that we create our reality and better ways to do it. And that it’s fun. That it’s meant to be fun.

ELIAS: And that is definitely a piece to remember. (Chuckles). 

TARA: Okay well now, I’ve had some weird stuff happening with my body. I have to say, I’ve done really well with my back healing. I am riding a horse again, which was my goal. I am on the horse and I am so happy. Can I just say, I just love it but after I exercise, I am having weak, tight muscles. I’m having issues with chronic sinusitis which might be completely not related to, I don’t know, I’ll just tell you my symptoms. Weight gain, sore joints and I don’t know if it’s from doing the energy exchange with Tompkin, or if it’s from viruses in my body. I was diagnosed that I had Epstein Barr virus and (Ross River) virus, Dengue fever, which I recovered from.  I don’t know what the problem is, I haven’t been able to figure it out. They are so random and weird and fatigue is huge.

ELIAS: Once again, I would say that this also partially, in like manner to other individuals, is partially associated with the effects of Climate change and changes in the air, changes in the land, changes in the water and in that, your body consciousness it hasn’t adjusted yet to those changes. This is incorporating so much difficulty in isolating or diagnosing what is the situation with many, many, people presently. But I would also express now, what is significantly important and I have expressed this with other individuals, also, is that your diet is significantly important which that you are already paying attention to.

TARA: Yes, I’ve decided to make some changes this year and reduce a few things that I was over indulging in. (Laughs)

ELIAS: I would say that in this present time framework, depending on the individual, you being one of the individuals, your weight is a significant factor because of the changes in the environment, your body is already having difficulty adjusting. When you add to that situation we create an overwhelm for the body consciousness and therefore you may notice incorporating discomfort that may actually mimic arthritis. 

TARA: Yes, exactly. 

ELIAS: That has to do with weight. 

TARA: Okay, so in order for me to lose weight, coz I have gone from being super fit, five years ago, I mean superfit!!! to being a fat blob because I hurt my back and couldn’t exercise. I’m now starting to exercise again and I’m incorporating pilates more, walking the dogs and horse riding but I do struggle with fatigue after. So I exercise one day and I have to take a break because the whole body just like falls apart the next day.

ELIAS: Now, stop, stop, stop. 

TARA: Yeah?

ELIAS: What I would say, is first of all, when I am expressing to you that it is important for you to be incorporating movement and maintaining your body consciousness, and I recognized that exercise is significant to losing weight, I am not advocating that you move in extremes. What I would say to you is, actually pilates is tremendous, that is actually an excellent direction and I applaud you in moving in that direction. But what I would say to you is, you can maintain your choice of exercise routine as you are, but I would definitely encourage you to perhaps generate a slightly more balance, perhaps not so extreme and and on the off days, to incorporate perhaps some stretching exercises and balancing exercises in which you don’t have to be incorporating your usual routine of exercise but that you aren’t moving in the direction of one day exercising in a fiendish manner and then find yourself not able not able to do anything. 

TARA: Yeah I get it.

ELIAS: That is not a considerably balanced expression and it also creates a situation in which the body consciousness is continuously being overwhelmed which adds () to adjust () to its environment. And let me tell you this definitely, at this point, it doesn’t matter where you move. The environment is the same. 

TARA: Okay, so the burning feeling I have in my chest and the feeling I can’t catch my breath.

ELIAS: Yes. 

TARA: Okay, yeah Chris is having it too. He is experiencing it too. So okay,

ELIAS: Let me also say to you in relation to that, this actually will seem contrary but it isn’t. I would say to you that the more you consistently move in directions to be () body consciousness and exercising, the more quickly your body will adjust in relation to the breathing. Now; that doesn’t mean that it is necessary for you to be exercising in a fiendish manner. 

TARA: No I understand. I have done that before I think, where I slowly, slowly, slowly built up my endurance levels and my lungs were covered to a point where they could breathe better. 

ELIAS: Yes. Now, what I would say is even on your off days if you are walking, that would be helpful and you can express to your partner that if he is walking daily, that will be helpful for him in relation to breathing also.

TARA: Okay, alright, I will tell him that. So with diet is the best one for me more salads and meat? My body seems to like meat. 

ELIAS: I would express that, that is not surprising or unusual that…. 

TARA: My impression is that it likes moose meat the most, out of all the meats. 

ELIAS: I am not surprised, afterall you are an omnivore, and in that meat is actually a natural part of your natural diet.

TARA: Yeah, I do appreciate it and other people are all turning vegan around me and I understand that, and I understand their reasons and I have reduced my intake of cattle for the same emotional, mental reasons but my body likes meat.

ELIAS: And I understand and I would express an encouragement in that. I would say to you that many individuals that move in the direction of consuming meat, have a tendency to perhaps view it excessively and not in a balanced capacity. But it is a food source that is natural for humans. But it is simply a matter of balancing. 

TARA: I think we do that okay, as we don’t eat it everyday.

ELIAS: I would say that in relation to red meat, I would express that a balance would be incorporating red meat to once a week to once every ten days. Fish you can incorporate everyday. Fowl I would say you could consume fowl, some individuals can consume it everyday, I would say generally as a rule of thumb every other day would be more balanced. 

TARA: Okay. I have ten minutes left and I just have a couple of other questions left on different subjects. 

ELIAS: Very well.

TARA: Tell me about Tyson the beautiful. I for once have complete trust and appreciation, I’ve always had appreciation for horses, but it’s immense. I even look at his picture and I just love him to bits. I feel like he is aware that he is helping me with my back rehab. Is that right? 


TARA: Yeah I knew it! I knew he knew! Ha ha! He just has been so patient with me flopping around on his back like a sack of spuds when my legs don’t work properly. (Laughs) He’s been so helpful. 

ELIAS: I would say that these creatures are tremendously intuitive and are very connected with humans and therefore yes, it is not surprising that he would be aware of what you are doing and what he is doing with you.

TARA: I think he enjoy’s helping me, I think he’s been tired because he hasn’t had quite enough feed (drought) and he is getting older. But I think he enjoys being helpful and being useful. 

ELIAS: Definitely. I definitely agree. 

TARA: He’s always been that way. His owner said that he was always first up at the gate when they used to have to work for the day moving cattle, he was always there waiting for him.

(Next question omitted as it was personal for another individual.)

TARA: Quick question from Jens and I’m sure Togi will be interested also, is Jens ship over Australia helping in reducing the heat and the fires at the moment? 

ELIAS: Yes. 

TARA: He will love to hear that. And Togi’s magitech is it helping? 

ELIAS: Yes. But remember that you are still engaging with the collective. 

TARA: Yes and that was Jen’s impression that the collective is not allowing him fully to assist because they are moving in a continued advance towards increasing fires. 

ELIAS: Correct.

TARA: Yes, that was his impression. Well he’ll be glad his impression was right but not glad about that answer. I’m coming to America next year to meet Mary hopefully and hopefully see you face to face with Mary. That would be really exciting, we are going to come over for one week.

ELIAS: Excellent! I would be very encouraging of you my friend and I will be tremendously anticipating of that.

TARA: Me also. That’s the alarm, so I”ll say thank you so much for everything, I just feel so relieved and it’s such good news and I really look forward to meeting you and finally meeting Mary. Being counterparts we have a lot in common but also we’re opposites in many ways I’ve noticed but it would be so good to also meet the really supportive individuals over there who have really supported Tompkin and encouraged me in that. 

ELIAS: I agree and I would express that that is tremendous my friend and I would congratulate you. 

TARA: Thank you, thank you and I’ll see you in September. 

ELIAS: Excellent. Excellent. And I shall be offering my support and my encouragement to you, every moment in the interim.

TARA: Thank you. It is appreciated. It is so appreciated and I’m sorry I got so angry. I’m sorry I’ve been so angry and yelling at the sky. (Laughs) 

ELIAS: And I would express it is not to be concerned about. And in that, I would definitely express my encouragement and my congratulations with (inaudible) TARA: Thank you so much.

ELIAS: Expressing to you, tremendous love my friend and in that, maintaining a wondrous friendship as always, au revoir. 

TARA: Will do and I express the same to you and I do often think of a past life we had together. I do remember it. 

ELIAS: Excellent. Excellent. 

TARA: Thank you Elias and I will talk to you again soon. Goodbye. 

ELIAS: Au revoir.